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<\/a><\/a>One of the reasons the City decided on the walkway to connect the new hotel to the Grand Wayne Center via an Embassy Theatre connection, is because of the water table levels in the area.\u00c2\u00a0 To have built a tunnel under Jefferson Boulevard into the GWC would have required constant 24\/7 365 pumping of water from the area.\u00c2\u00a0 When the ballpark is finished, the field will be approximately 14.25′ below the surrounding area’s concourse level.\u00c2\u00a0 With last week’s rain, the field looked more like a place to play water polo than baseball.<\/p>\n

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The above photos are from the City’s webcam website.\u00c2\u00a0 Follow the link listed to the left under the Harrison Square section.<\/em><\/font><\/p>\n

In the December 4, 2000 edition of the News Sentinel appeared an article entitled, “Excavation for a downtown arena could lead to surprises,”\u00c2\u00a0 by Mike Dooley.\u00c2\u00a0 The following is interesting when looking at the Harrison Square project:<\/p>\n

\u00c2\u00a0While some of the finds are impossible to predict, Camperman and Norris said contractors whose work takes them below ground downtown are reasonably certain to find two troublesome things – sand and water.<\/p>\n

“You don’t build downtown unless you build on pilings,” Norris said.\u00c2\u00a0 “That’s just a fact of life.\u00c2\u00a0 You’re going to run into soft ground or sand nearly every place.”<\/p>\n

Norris likes the possibility that the downtown was once an ancient riverbed, but Camperman, has another theory.<\/p>\n

“I think it’s part of what’s called a ‘beach ridge’ from Lake Maumee,” the health department inspector said.<\/p>\n

“It’s nothing but sand and loose soil for hundreds of feet down in some places.\u00c2\u00a0 I know one contractor who thought it was great when his test boring hit hard clay at 50 or so feet.\u00c2\u00a0 He went another 6 inches though, and was right back in sand again.”<\/p>\n

Water also bedevils those who build downtown.<\/p>\n

“There’s what amounts to an underground river that flows through downtown,” Norris said.\u00c2\u00a0 “No one’s exactly sure where it goes, but it’s there and people run into it all the time.”<\/p>\n

Norris experienced the problem firsthand when his church, First Presbyterian, decided to build a theatre at its location on West Wayne Street.<\/p>\n

“We had nothing but constant water problems.\u00c2\u00a0 We put in sump pumps, but it wasn’t a matter of drying it up – it was a matter of constantly dewatering the place.\u00c2\u00a0 You couldn’t get ahead of it.”<\/p>\n

Camperman has an 1857 sketch of downtown he believes shows the source of the water woes – the long-forgotten Duck Creek.<\/p>\n

The sketch shows the creek, running south from the St. Mary’s River to just north of the old canal, then disappearing underground.\u00c2\u00a0 “That’s the downtown ‘river,’ he said.\u00c2\u00a0 “It’s still there.”<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

At the Allen County website, you can access topographical information for the downtown area:<\/p>\n

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The white lines, that I’ve added, mark what looks like the remnants of a shore line, possibly for Duck Creek?\u00c2\u00a0 Duck Street runs between Clinton and Barr Street on the South side of Headwaters Park.\u00c2\u00a0 Is there significance in the street name?\u00c2\u00a0 The other significant observation from the above map, which is also evident to anyone who has walked or even driven the Harrison Square area is that HS lies\u00c2\u00a0at the bottom of\u00c2\u00a0a downgrade from Harrison Street.\u00c2\u00a0 This can also contribute to water problems in the area.\u00c2\u00a0 On January 11, 2008, more shafts were being drilled which will undoubtedly be used to pump water out of the area.<\/p>\n

On December 4, 2007, I spoke with Greg Leatherman, Deputy Director of Community Development, about several items, including this question of water which Greg stated he was\u00c2\u00a0dealing with:<\/p>\n

“… You try to look at 10-year, 20-year 100-year rain events and\u00c2\u00a0how to optimize the cost of the design and construction of the storm\u00c2\u00a0and ground water pumps\u00c2\u00a0that are necessary for the field and condos to remain water free and within\u00c2\u00a0budget constraints.\u00c2\u00a0 What kind of catastrophic event do you have to anticipate?\u00c2\u00a0 It’s very similar to the City’s combined sewer overflow situation. It costs, and I’ll use round numbers, $350 million dollars for the city to take 110 overflow events down to 5 events in a year. To get it from 5 to 1 or zero is almost double the $350 million -\u00c2\u00a0I’m not precisely right, just giving an example.\u00c2\u00a0 It’s that chasing of that last extra 4 or 5 events that almost in some cases doubles the price.<\/p>\n

A very similar principle applies here – you can do a hundred year event, but\u00c2\u00a0what if you want to do a 200 hundred year event?\u00c2\u00a0 Then\u00c2\u00a0you’re doubling the prices or some ratio that makes it very difficult to\u00c2\u00a0remain in the constraints of the\u00c2\u00a0budget. If you want to build a pump station that guarantees that you’ll never ever have any water in that field, you won’t have much of a ballpark because you’ll put\u00c2\u00a0all your money into those pumps. So you’ve got to have people help you with that issue and we’re still dealing with that. We’ll find that right place.”<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

It will be interesting to see how the pumping stations and design are incorporated into the ballpark area.<\/p>\n

One other item which we talked about, and was briefly alluded to in the cited article was the fact that when excavation first commenced, the entire area next to Ewing Street was dug out.\u00c2\u00a0 Later, it was filled back in with dirt from another area of the HS project area.\u00c2\u00a0 I shared this observation with Greg and he replied:<\/p>\n

“They were removing bad dirt which they hauled away from the site.\u00c2\u00a0 By bad dirt, I mean soft, mushy, moist too impossible to build on.\u00c2\u00a0 They would continue to dig down until they got to good dirt and\u00c2\u00a0temporarily store it on site as they moved things around to get the dirt right and\u00c2\u00a0they took away from the site\u00c2\u00a0bad dirt.”<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

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